tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post6666082523039220291..comments2023-10-24T01:06:54.102-07:00Comments on I'm skeerdy: La Petite Mort; or, "You Got Your Thanatos in My Eros!"Anon, A Mousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02783872862621609977noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-77476571339322508792008-01-20T21:36:00.000-08:002008-01-20T21:36:00.000-08:00Observant? To the point of seeing things that may ...Observant? To the point of seeing things that may or may not exist, perhaps.<BR/><BR/>Myself, I look at the strip, I see the woman on her hands and knees looking up, I see the boobs and the blood, but I don't see "presenting", aside from the fact that animals who present are often on all fours as well, as many animals also are when they AREN'T presenting.<BR/><BR/>I look at the other strips Sooz mentioned in that post, I see one that falls into the "sexy costume = sexy death" category, another with a questionable camera angle, and then there is one with a corpse propped up in an improbable position that I'd be far more likely to label "presenting" than the one mainly featured in Sooz' post.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that one or two instances that are more suspicious than others are being used to lump anything even slightly "off" into the same category to infer a "trend", and now I suspect every time a female character suffers a fatality in that strip, there's going to be someone pointing at it to call it eroticized death, regardless of how much eroticism is actually present.<BR/><BR/>Your little crack actually enhances my point a bit, since one of the things I contend is that for some there can be no level of eroticism, even incidental eroticism such as mode of dress or even byproducts of general anatomy, that won't set off somebody's "necro alarm". After all, the more "observant" you are, the more offense you can find, right down to the smallest particle of suspicious detail.Anon, A Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02783872862621609977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-18589768255246269712008-01-20T21:05:00.000-08:002008-01-20T21:05:00.000-08:00Anon -- No, that would be the definition of "obser...Anon -- No, that would be the definition of "observant".Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-88377921250706773192008-01-20T21:04:00.000-08:002008-01-20T21:04:00.000-08:00"And the fact that he KEEPS DOING THIS is just kin..."And the fact that he KEEPS DOING THIS is just kinda weird. I could ignore it if it were an isolated incident, but it's really not."<BR/><BR/>Well, then, that begs the questions: <BR/><BR/>--So what do you think IS going on, there?<BR/><BR/>--If your worst suspicions are indeed true, then what does that mean to you?<BR/><BR/>--What do you expect that anyone else should do about it and why?Anon, A Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02783872862621609977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-5369785423692760342008-01-20T21:01:00.000-08:002008-01-20T21:01:00.000-08:00"Well, yeah, duh. Thing is, there's a difference b..."Well, yeah, duh. Thing is, there's a difference between being hypersensitive and noticing something that looks like the pose animals strike when they're ready to mate, which ALSO happens to be pretty hard to fall into without trying REALLY, REALLY hard."<BR/><BR/>I might argue that noticing a similarity between an animal mating pose and someone on their hands and knees is the very definition of "hypersensitive".Anon, A Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02783872862621609977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-82166315077228458872008-01-20T19:56:00.000-08:002008-01-20T19:56:00.000-08:00Actually, the boobs are not really the chief facto...Actually, the boobs are not really the chief factor in that one. Yes, they're propped up in a "HAY GUYS BOOBS" manner that's pretty unlikely for a gal falling down. (I know this personally; they would more likely be mooshed under her ribcage.) It's also the fact that she has somehow fallen to her knees and then from the waist in a "presenting" type pose.<BR/><BR/>There's things like, say, falling in the graceful faint thing that fair damsels often do; that's silly, but not objectionable, and at least slightly believable. But for her to fall IN THAT POSITION, and stay that way, is just plain impossible, and it's really weird that Terraciano would draw it.<BR/><BR/><I>I think it would be fairly difficult to draw a corpse in a non-sexualized fashion if, to qualify as "non-sexualized", one had to avoid drawing ANY position that could even vaguely be interpreted as sexy by some hypersensitive criteria.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, yeah, duh. Thing is, there's a difference between being hypersensitive and noticing something that looks like the pose animals strike when they're ready to mate, which ALSO happens to be pretty hard to fall into without trying REALLY, REALLY hard.<BR/><BR/>And the fact that he KEEPS DOING THIS is just kinda weird. I could ignore it if it were an isolated incident, but it's really not. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, that's my rebuttal, and I'm outa here. There's some Rock Band action in the other room I gotta get in on. :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-5820668270618247732008-01-20T15:24:00.000-08:002008-01-20T15:24:00.000-08:00I'd appreciate it if you would not post something ...<B>I'd appreciate it if you would not post something condescending simply for the sake of being condescending, if for no other reason that it's likely to provoke the very kind of thing I don't want here.</B><BR/><BR/>You're right, Mouse. I'm sorry. I've taken care of it. I'll be more mindful of that in the future.James Meeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15125466138669301618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-5240063628822745002008-01-20T14:43:00.000-08:002008-01-20T14:43:00.000-08:00Okay, James: No more of that, please.I'm fairly co...Okay, James: No more of that, please.<BR/><BR/>I'm fairly confident someone like LurkerWithout doesn't give the slightest damn whether you pity them, or whether you even slightly disapprove of what they say or do.<BR/><BR/>I know there's some kind of long-running feud between you and a clutch of the pro-feminist bloggers out there, but like I said before, I don't care, that's a fight I don't want on MY blog, and I'd appreciate it if you would not post something condescending simply for the sake of being condescending, if for no other reason that it's likely to provoke the very kind of thing I don't want here.<BR/><BR/>And that also goes for anyone out there who thinks they want to respond by posting a comment on how much of a loser James is, or whatever. Chew that bullshit and swallow it.Anon, A Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02783872862621609977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-62856176857207373132008-01-20T13:51:00.000-08:002008-01-20T13:51:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.James Meeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15125466138669301618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-33047102544276575482008-01-20T10:29:00.000-08:002008-01-20T10:29:00.000-08:00Sooz: I think you're wrong, actually. I think it w...Sooz: I think you're wrong, actually. I think it would be fairly difficult to draw a corpse in a non-sexualized fashion if, to qualify as "non-sexualized", one had to avoid drawing ANY position that could even vaguely be interpreted as sexy by some hypersensitive criteria.<BR/><BR/>For instance, if you had a pretty woman in a bikini who was killed, what possible position could there be where someone could not SOMEHOW think of it as sexy, whether personally, or assuming that someone else would find it so? Can there be any position where a woman in a bikini is NOT considered "sexy"?<BR/><BR/>That character in your example was dressed in a somewhat chest-revealing outfit, and I submit to you that even if (uh, what's his name again...?) Terracino had chosen some other, more realistic pose for her to assume, there'd still be criticism over it being sexy violence, just by virtue of the character wearing a sexy costume.<BR/><BR/>And, frankly, I think there would have been charges of sexualized violence/death leveled against Stephanie Brown's death or Tigra's beating even if the depictions avoided contorted body poses (Brown) or skimpy clothing (Tigra). Just because they're female and possess breasts.Anon, A Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02783872862621609977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-57524954382462814932008-01-20T08:55:00.000-08:002008-01-20T08:55:00.000-08:00a series of pictures purportedly showing how real ...<I>a series of pictures purportedly showing how real bodies would drape over things and come to rest.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, that was just showing that one can depict a corpse in a non-sexualised fashion:<BR/>"It's not like it's HARD to draw a dead or dying person in a non-sexualised fashion," is what I wrote. If I cared to depict realistic corpse action, I would have trawled for actual corpses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-90167062437379575562008-01-20T01:59:00.000-08:002008-01-20T01:59:00.000-08:00Oh! Oh! and wouldn't that mean that if you didn't ...Oh! Oh! and wouldn't that mean that if you didn't like someone's criticism of someone's criticism you should avoid that too?<BR/><BR/>Yeah, nice try, chuckles.<BR/><BR/>It actually works the other way around. Criticize all you want, it's a free world. But criticism is not itself immune from criticism.<BR/><BR/>Now, having said that: how did you jump to the conclusion, from ANYthing I've said in this post, that I was suggesting people just ignore stuff they didn't like and not comment on it? I mean, that's not exactly the worst idea ever, but how you read that out of what I wrote seems to be a new form of non-Euclidean geometry.<BR/><BR/>If you do want to use my blog for attention, could you please stay at least VAGUELY on topic, then? Thx.Anon, A Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02783872862621609977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3253516949261298537.post-41655675713682423182008-01-20T01:39:00.000-08:002008-01-20T01:39:00.000-08:00Sooooo. If someone doesn't care for a work of art ...Sooooo. If someone doesn't care for a work of art they shouldn't criticize it and just avoid it? Wouldn't that also mean if you don't like a piece of criticism you should just avoid it?<BR/><BR/>Unless you just like the attention. I mean thats why I'm commenting...LurkerWithouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03540770911478925992noreply@blogger.com